tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post4965185590740747378..comments2024-03-27T01:58:22.445-07:00Comments on The Gazetteer: Stopping All Cons: A Comprehensive Guide To Strategic Surge Voting In British ColumbiaRossKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-51818484159560405432011-05-05T06:47:54.191-07:002011-05-05T06:47:54.191-07:00LosersLosersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-85539113310461252782011-05-04T15:35:28.000-07:002011-05-04T15:35:28.000-07:00Thanks lg.
Was getting whacked around quite a bit...Thanks lg.<br /><br />Was getting whacked around quite a bit by folks on our side of the ice who think that we should just keep mucking about in the house leagues rather than put together a rep team that can stomp with the big girls and boys.....It was all rather discouraging to tell you the truth.<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-27068999185813861252011-05-03T17:26:36.533-07:002011-05-03T17:26:36.533-07:00no worries, Ross....keep up the good work, bro
le...no worries, Ross....keep up the good work, bro<br /><br />lenin's ghostAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-47753381484152473292011-05-02T23:02:20.095-07:002011-05-02T23:02:20.095-07:00Fair enough Bob.
What did you think of ACarr in V...Fair enough Bob.<br /><br />What did you think of ACarr in VanCtre?<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-78873067411911217832011-05-02T22:41:57.143-07:002011-05-02T22:41:57.143-07:00"I suggest you head over to Ian's place a..."I suggest you head over to Ian's place and ask him directly." Nah. Elizabeth May won. He'll have to deal with it.Bob Broughtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01281390652995621116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-727374648782439332011-05-02T17:54:38.329-07:002011-05-02T17:54:38.329-07:00lenin's freakin' ghost!!!
Ahhhhh.....now ...lenin's freakin' ghost!!!<br /><br />Ahhhhh.....now I feel way, way better.....sorry for the ballisticness - I was way off base above. lg and I go, way, way, way back to Billmon days for anybody that knows me. He is one of the greatest commenters of all time.<br /><br />Thanks Tony - I'm usually much more into the thrust and parry - think I've been ancy because I've been getting hammered by a lot of progressive/dipper friends on the Email<br /><br />Ya, Holly - that's the thing. And how did that work out for the good Mr. Emerson? And who holds VKingsway now as a result? ......Going back over my Lib list I cannot imagine one of them going Con of their own free will, except maybe the former Earth Wind and Fire back-up singer.<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-17300732489658292882011-05-02T17:05:30.619-07:002011-05-02T17:05:30.619-07:00lol.......geez, Ross
I meant to poke ya with a st...lol.......geez, Ross<br /><br />I meant to poke ya with a stick not bash ya over the head with a club<br /><br />not meaning to be nasty, dude<br /><br />to be clear, I come back once in a bit to check out your stuff and you do a great job<br /><br />..........lenin's ghost<br /><br />best identify myself when slashing ya so you can get my number to get me back.......heheheAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-6824465919393970842011-05-02T15:26:43.790-07:002011-05-02T15:26:43.790-07:00Like David Emerson? Not happy, I should imagine.Like David Emerson? Not happy, I should imagine.Holly Stickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137842937086115228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-63287653325360491952011-05-02T13:47:08.155-07:002011-05-02T13:47:08.155-07:00Stridency is yor right, dude. Your roof, your rule...Stridency is yor right, dude. Your roof, your rules. I wonder, only academically, how traditional leftish Lib voters would feel about someone they supported backing the Cons after all is said and done.Tony Martinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-58451382322070314882011-05-02T13:04:26.318-07:002011-05-02T13:04:26.318-07:00Gosh - I just realized how strident I'm being....Gosh - I just realized how strident I'm being. <br /><br />Apologies. <br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-32619966841719068932011-05-02T13:03:53.769-07:002011-05-02T13:03:53.769-07:00I will NOT be announcing early returns before the ...I will NOT be announcing early returns before the polls close in Lotusland. In fact, personally, I feel that it is irresponsible of anyone to do so.<br /><br />Although, not as irresponsible for ECanada and Parliament not putting rules and procedures in place to release all results at the same time.<br /><br /><br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-35747005058253321172011-05-02T13:01:50.433-07:002011-05-02T13:01:50.433-07:00Glad to hear I'm a minion.
Just so Anon-Abov...Glad to hear I'm a minion. <br /><br />Just so Anon-Above knows, I am someone who fought long and hard against the most egregious aspects of the real estate development where, and near where, I used to live (and still work).<br /><br />And if this is a veiled preview to a coming outing....Go right ahead. I have never purposefully hid what I do for a living and/or where I work (it is clearly discernable in a lot of the non-political stuff that I write). You should know, however, that the reason I keep my surname off this blog is to ensure that the charitable groups and foundations I actively work with to raise money for, a lot of it from folks that would never vote Dipper, don't get whacked because of stuff I write. <br /><br />Now.<br /><br />As to "mistakes" in my recommendations.....<br /><br />First, have a look at the many actual rolling published (not Andrew Coyne-wurlitzered 'internal') polls on the Proj Demo page and I think you will find that they were a little off with their early statement that is on the page....There is significant Con support there that could, in my opinion (and that is all it is), very much come into play if a whole bunch of support was hived off the Lib because it went Green.... Regardless, the take home for me is that the latter has very, very little chance to win given the longtime Lib's well known GOTV strengths amongst a very significant block of voters that lives in that riding.<br /><br />As for the chance of floor crossing.....Look....Nothing, absolutely nothing, I have suggested in my recommendation will hurt a Dippers chances of winning this time (unless, of course the source is actually higher than the windturbine atop Grouse Mtn (in which case nothing I say amounts to a hill of beans anyway)....And, regardless, I would way rather force the Lib in West Van to cross than let the Con win outright.<br /><br />OK?<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-81046229413854695332011-05-02T12:55:50.727-07:002011-05-02T12:55:50.727-07:00Bob--
I believe it is both the further fracturing...Bob--<br /><br />I believe it is both the further fracturing of the progressive vote in future elections and the potential loss of a good Dipper candidate longterm because the party will abandon her and go for someone else (think he's had some experience with that recently on the provincial level).<br /><br />However, again, this is only my 'belief', I suggest you head over to Ian's place and ask him directly. He's really good at responding honestly to a straight-up question. That's why I respect him.<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-39164184078145801892011-05-02T12:44:14.534-07:002011-05-02T12:44:14.534-07:00bye the bye......anyone going to be posting early ...bye the bye......anyone going to be posting early retorns from the east coast?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-67131791552301117372011-05-02T12:38:59.708-07:002011-05-02T12:38:59.708-07:00nice work, Ross
be easy on Ross over his few erro...nice work, Ross<br /><br />be easy on Ross over his few errors.......he is a minion of UBC where real estate trumps science big time!!!!......I have some inside stuff on that!!!...as if its a big secret!!!<br /><br />strat li'l stevie out!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-49730564392696893362011-05-02T12:09:56.444-07:002011-05-02T12:09:56.444-07:00Lots of chatter about potential for Liberals who w...Lots of chatter about potential for Liberals who would cross the floor to the conservatives rather than support the New Dems.<br /><br />Sorta throws the whole point of strategic voting out the window.Tony Martinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-75964613718706118612011-05-02T10:14:24.505-07:002011-05-02T10:14:24.505-07:00Also beware of phonecalls telling people their vot...Also beware of phonecalls telling people their voting place is at a different address. I don't know if that is happening in BC, but it is in Ontario:<br /><br />http://sixthestate.net/?p=1672Holly Stickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137842937086115228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-15967864288430796372011-05-02T00:43:13.159-07:002011-05-02T00:43:13.159-07:00OK, then, what is this "longterm political mi...OK, then, what is this "longterm political mistake" that Reid was talking about?Bob Broughtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01281390652995621116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-42678984623148899302011-05-02T00:02:32.314-07:002011-05-02T00:02:32.314-07:00And as an addendum, Michael Byers' thoughtful ...And as an addendum, Michael Byers' thoughtful piece on the perils of strategic voting: <br /><br />http://byers.typepad.com/politics/2011/04/the-problem-with-strategic-voting-1.html<br /><br />Byers was the NDP candidate in VanCtr last go-round and now resides in the Gulf Islands - I believe he knows whereof he speaks!macadavyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389495369365209004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-84760426122932998112011-05-01T23:54:10.499-07:002011-05-01T23:54:10.499-07:00Gaz I beg to differ viz-a-viz VanCtr. Check with P...Gaz I beg to differ viz-a-viz VanCtr. Check with Project Democracy, to quote them: "The Conservatives don't appear to be a threat in this riding. Vote your preference." And that's despite their clear Liberal bias.<br />Besides, I live here and la Hedy is so far past her 'best before' date I couldn't vote for her even if I wore a gas mask!<br />The Dipper, Karen Shillington, is running a strong second and one poll (Decima,01/05)has her leading.macadavyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12389495369365209004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-86927201404481003712011-05-01T22:57:18.290-07:002011-05-01T22:57:18.290-07:00Bob--
We had quite a good discussion about SGI ov...Bob--<br /><br />We had quite a good discussion about SGI over at Ian's place. <br /><br />We agreed to disagree for the sake of 17/18. <br /><br />For this thing to work we need smart folks of all stripes who are willing to consciously make a second choice for the collective good. <br /><br />And essentially, despite the fact that he does have serious concerns about strategic voting and its potential to fragment the progressive vote, Ian was able to take that step.<br /><br />And in that vein, please realize that most of my readers, given my PoV and political bent, are provincial Dippers. <br /><br />And, finally, I actually do care what Mr. Reid thinks - just as I care what you think also. I realize that those two things are often not the same, but I always care what folks who are being up front about their thoughts have to say and you both very definitely have that going for you.<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-28844029078714030852011-05-01T22:41:09.287-07:002011-05-01T22:41:09.287-07:00Why should anybody care what Ian Reid thinks?Why should anybody care what Ian Reid thinks?Bob Broughtonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01281390652995621116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-81653868796666777362011-05-01T18:45:36.385-07:002011-05-01T18:45:36.385-07:00Spart- really...Wow???...But outa Coyne...He is ki...Spart- really...Wow???...But outa Coyne...He is kind of climbing down off his reasonable perch the last couple of days.<br /><br />Thanks Travis and Tony - I'll add a note, because it hurts no one but Cons if everybody goes all in with the Dipper in all three ridings. <br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-12559780814220559142011-05-01T18:03:06.808-07:002011-05-01T18:03:06.808-07:00Re: PG.
Weak, weak Green presence. Parachuted Lib...Re: PG.<br /><br />Weak, weak Green presence. Parachuted Lib. Saw a poll last weak (no link, sorry) that showed a big chunk of New NDP support was in the north. I think it is a long, long shot, but mathematically possible to win the southern seat. Will not bet the farm on it, though.Tony Martinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-39338928497306037692011-05-01T15:48:53.597-07:002011-05-01T15:48:53.597-07:00Strictly FWIW: Liberal internals in Vancouver Cent...Strictly FWIW: Liberal internals in Vancouver Centre show neck and neck with Greens: https://twitter.com/#!/confute/status/64755561039806465spartikushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15639539383294575736noreply@blogger.com