tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post1489817768120033541..comments2024-03-27T01:58:22.445-07:00Comments on The Gazetteer: The Curious Case of Mr. Brown's Missing MemoryRossKhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-21761202740145974052010-06-20T00:10:12.092-07:002010-06-20T00:10:12.092-07:00Hey!
I just noticed.....
I'm 42.
(Again!)
...Hey!<br /><br />I just noticed.....<br /><br />I'm 42.<br /><br />(Again!)<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-64534602135245977372010-06-15T09:06:20.249-07:002010-06-15T09:06:20.249-07:00Fantastic conversation folks - and bringing the de...Fantastic conversation folks - and bringing the detailed timeline into it was most helpful.<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-30633033027716408852010-06-14T22:42:22.050-07:002010-06-14T22:42:22.050-07:00I think both issues were important and motivating ...I think both issues were important and motivating factors; Hydro came first so that's the issue that broke the camel's back - so to speak. But, the record makes it clear that Nettleton was equally exercised about the prospect of and the eventual sale of BC Rail.<br /><br />If BC Rail had been first out of the chutes then I'm equally convinced Nettleton would have made that the issue which occasioned his principled stand..<br /><br />As far as your metaphor for the Campbell Cabinet, from all accounts and by all appearances, it wasn't much of an Eden...I'm sure you remember what the CEO said to Elayne Brenzinger when she questioned his omnipotence.<br /><br />We are dealing with a corporate sociopath (a character I like to call a '<b>snake in a suit</b>' to riff a little on your 'Edenic' reference) and a man who thinks he has no equal and who is immune to self-criticism and allergic to ANYONE questioning him.<br /><br /><br />More on this later.G Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09487763931438315174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-78153218462103300562010-06-14T20:19:06.889-07:002010-06-14T20:19:06.889-07:00G West, you're right - to a point - about the ...G West, you're right - to a point - about the timeline. Nettleton opposed the BC Rail sale in the legislature. <br /><br />That was after he was booted from the Lib caucus, however, for raising concerns about the potential Hydro privatization. <br /><br />Nettleton himself says he was first informed of the scheme to sell BC Rail shortly after the '01 election - he said so himself in his letter published by BC Mary. He didn't raise the alarm at the time. <br /><br />My point is not to rain on the guy's parade. Paul Nettleton is, by all accounts, an honourable fellow. I'm just pointing out that his ultimate sin, for which he was booted out of Eden, was raising the spectre of privatizing Hydro.Tony Martinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-30829326166117636592010-06-14T08:52:57.291-07:002010-06-14T08:52:57.291-07:00Paul Nettleton, being of a fairly religeous persua...Paul Nettleton, being of a fairly religeous persuasion also expressed his dismay personally to Gordo about Lara.............He thought the situation inappropriate for a party that professed "family values" and had stolen the leadership of the Liberal Party by exploiting the "moral lapses" of the previous Leader/Gordon!kootcoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11344208424209840730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-30723238911241260992010-06-14T08:02:50.486-07:002010-06-14T08:02:50.486-07:00@Tony Martinson;
You need to check your dates a l...@Tony Martinson;<br /><br />You need to check your dates a lot more closely - and review Nettleton's actions and statements about both BC Hydro and BC Rail.<br /><br />There's lots of material in Hansard if you take the time to look for it.<br /><br />Nettleton's prescient statements about BC Hydro were made in a letter written to his colleagues on Nov. 13, 2002...more than a year before CN stole the Railway and long before the raid on the legislature.<br /><br />His subsequent opposition to the sale of BC Rail was equally public..and equally correct - as events have shown with laser-like clarity....<br /><br />You can ask Ben Meisner about that if you like.G Westhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09487763931438315174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-12009592753288438952010-06-13T23:05:17.821-07:002010-06-13T23:05:17.821-07:00Fair enough Tony - thanks.
(and I'll have to ...Fair enough Tony - thanks.<br /><br />(and I'll have to think about that 'Machiavellian scheme'...I always figured that Mr. Nettleton forced them to scale back the Hydro sell-off)<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-36561325360936956062010-06-13T22:16:59.831-07:002010-06-13T22:16:59.831-07:00I will accept on the circumstantial evidence after...I will accept on the circumstantial evidence after the fact that Nettleton opposed the BC Rail sale. Given his own status as a backbencher in a new government, I will also not be critical that he didn't stand up on principle on the issue. Finally, my understanding, on the basis of what I've been told by a friend who has been on a first-name basis with at least one Prince George-based cabinet ministers for nearly two decades, is that Nettleton was, from the time of his first being elected, considered an outsider within the Lib caucus. (The information he was fed about what he perceived as an imminent privatization of Hydro - which never happened as he foretold - may well have been an internal ruse to ultimately roust Nettleton from caucus; a true Machiavellian scheme.)<br /><br />I am, however, a persnickety type: dude was evicted from his caucus over his comments about the potential privatization of Hydro, not for his objections to the BC Rail sale. I like keeping facts straight.Tony Martinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-771280570629376262010-06-12T21:38:35.977-07:002010-06-12T21:38:35.977-07:00Tony,
Your point is well taken, overall.
However...Tony,<br /><br />Your point is well taken, overall.<br /><br />However, it has since become clear that Mr. Nettleton also, in his words, had both his trust and his confidence 'shattered' when he was informed, along with Pat Bell and Shirley Bond, by Premier Campbell of his arbitrary decision to privatize BC Rail very soon after the 2001 election..<br /><br />We learned this due to the fine efforts of our good friend Mary.<br /><br />This <a href="http://bctrialofbasi-virk.blogspot.com/2009/04/paul-nettleton-former-bc-liberal-mla.html" rel="nofollow">post, from the Spring of 2009</a> should serve as a good starting point if you would like to have a look.<br /><br />_____<br />And, for the record, this bit of digging by Mary was noted in the Globe at the <a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JsChn_M2nisJ:v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090415.wbcelection0415/BNStory/specialComment+%22The+man,+who+told+Ms.+James+he+had+been+a+BC+Rail+employee+for+33+years,+returned+to+the+engine+without+giving+his+name+to+reporters%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">time.</a><br /><br /><br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-29286400740271294072010-06-12T21:23:41.998-07:002010-06-12T21:23:41.998-07:00You know, sometimes something is intentionally wri...You know, sometimes something is intentionally written so that it will be corrected. Eg. RossK is 42Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-78104487429807839362010-06-12T21:06:51.167-07:002010-06-12T21:06:51.167-07:00Waitaminit
Nettleton did not raise his ruckus ove...Waitaminit<br /><br />Nettleton did not raise his ruckus over BC Rail. He raised concerns that the Libs were going to privatize BC Hydro.<br /><br />Nettleton has shown some chops and deserves some kudos, but let's make sure we keep the facts straight. No Lib MLA made a public fuss over the sale of BC Rail, at least until after leaving caucus.Tony Martinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-8935434699231836722010-06-12T20:02:49.669-07:002010-06-12T20:02:49.669-07:00Well NVG--
Guess that explains why it took him so...Well NVG--<br /><br />Guess that explains why it took him so long....After all, inking over so much type takes awhile.<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-18191778672423316322010-06-12T09:55:01.370-07:002010-06-12T09:55:01.370-07:0080 per cent!!!!!!!!?<b>80 per cent</b>!!!!!!!!?North Van's Grumpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17571810726275726952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-6061766784186525382010-06-12T09:53:55.538-07:002010-06-12T09:53:55.538-07:00Here's something we should be reviewing:
&quo...Here's something we should be reviewing:<br /><br />"Sept. 10, 2004 - Associate Chief Justice Patrick Dohm orders the release of court documents, although about 80 per cent of the information was blacked out to protect the ongoing police investigation. The documents allege two B.C. Liberal aids released confidential information about a government deal to privatize a portion of B.C. Rail in exchange for a job with the federal government."<br /><br />Can we have a copy of the Court Documents without any blacked-out sections?<br /><br />Everything has been disclosed to the Defense, what harm is there in the public seeing what has been hidden for so long by Dohm?<br /><br />Source of "Sept. 10, 2004" is from CBC News Indepth: BC Raid<br /><br />http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/bcraids/North Van's Grumpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17571810726275726952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-45906064858175855942010-06-12T09:46:17.290-07:002010-06-12T09:46:17.290-07:00Regarding Mr. Nettleton....
Has the time finally ...Regarding Mr. Nettleton....<br /><br />Has the time finally come to re-visit his letter to the Premier that Mr. Palmer reprinted with a most 'unfortunate' error....<br /><br />Or.<br /><br />Should we wait a while yet?<br /><br /><br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-13487444318337700162010-06-12T09:27:12.940-07:002010-06-12T09:27:12.940-07:00"With Lekstrom out, B.C. Premier Campbell cou..."With Lekstrom out, B.C. Premier Campbell could be next<br />Former B.C. Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources minister Blair Lekstrom is seen in this January 17, 2009 file photo in Victoria. Lekstrom has resigned from the Liberal cabinet and caucus, effective immediately, Friday June 11, 2010.<br /><br />Lekstrom has resigned from the Liberal cabinet and caucus, effective immediately, Friday June 11, 2010. <br /><br />Premier Gordon Campbell’s leadership has centred around the solidarity of fellow B.C. Liberals. Following Blair Lekstrom’s sudden resignation Friday, Mr. Campbell’s days as Premier may be numbered." <br /><br />SNIP<br /><br />"Mr. Lekstrom’s decision to quit the caucus represents a huge crack in the wall of solidarity that has always surrounded the party. Suddenly it doesn’t look so invincible and unassailable any more.<br /><br />Just like Mr. Campbell’s leadership."<br /><br />- Gary Mason<br /><br />Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/british-columbia/with-lekstrom-out-bc-premier-campbell-could-be-next/article1601861/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-40640799552767189182010-06-12T09:05:54.737-07:002010-06-12T09:05:54.737-07:00You've got it RossK.... Nettleton!You've got it RossK.... Nettleton!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-44913976621922228772010-06-11T19:43:14.154-07:002010-06-11T19:43:14.154-07:00Anon-Above--
Whose position, exactly, did Mr. Cam...Anon-Above--<br /><br />Whose position, exactly, did Mr. Campbell disagree with after he sold BC Rail...<br /><br />...And does that person's last name rhyme with pettleton?<br /><br />Thanks.<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-1595114920339178472010-06-11T19:00:07.921-07:002010-06-11T19:00:07.921-07:00"I respect his position. I understand it but...."I respect his position. I understand it but... we clearly disagree," Campbell told reporters in Victoria a few hours after he sold BC Rail.....no, no, no, no....<br /><br />"I respect his position. I understand it but... we clearly disagree," Campbell told reporters in Victoria a few hours after he accepted Kash Heed's resignation for a second time.....no, that's not right.....<br /><br />"I respect his position. I understand it but... we clearly disagree," Campbell told reporters in Victoria a few hours after Gary Collins retired from politics......NO, NO, NO....<br /><br />"I respect the publics position. I understand it but... we clearly disagree," Campbell told reporters in Victoria a few hours after he won the 2009 election without mentioning the HST.<br /><br /><br />"I respect his position. I understand it but... we clearly disagree," Campbell told reporters in Victoria a few hours after Blair announced his resignation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-31606508541901594102010-06-11T17:44:41.912-07:002010-06-11T17:44:41.912-07:00Thanks Mary-
On my way!
.Thanks Mary-<br /><br />On my way!<br /><br />.RossKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07677239332112652522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-82528672558476761342010-06-11T17:35:59.067-07:002010-06-11T17:35:59.067-07:00RossK,
Hope you found time to drop in at Salt Sp...RossK, <br /><br />Hope you found time to drop in at Salt Spring News to see the collection Jim Scott has posted to illuminate the past and future significance of Blair Lekstrom. <br /><br />Sometimes I have to marvel at the strength and brilliance of people who are supporting the BC Rail findings .... which, I do believe is in large part, what has driven Lekstrom from his comfy Cabinet chair. <br /><br />As Paul Nettleton said this afternoon, "Interesting times just got a whole lot more interesting." <br />.BC Marynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-46110245979965105882010-06-11T11:40:00.498-07:002010-06-11T11:40:00.498-07:00Lekstrom = Worried Opportunist.Lekstrom = Worried Opportunist.Leahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-56764699023647779802010-06-11T11:13:46.047-07:002010-06-11T11:13:46.047-07:00Excellent reportage from Robin. Thanks.
and, um, ...Excellent reportage from Robin. Thanks.<br /><br />and, um, Lekstrom voted for the HST in full knowledge of how unpopular it was in Peace River South.Alisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09811694143714068436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7229885.post-78590827437334645892010-06-11T10:56:50.008-07:002010-06-11T10:56:50.008-07:00good that guy is a puke I hope that not only his ...good that guy is a puke I hope that not only his political life is over,but also hope he is shunned by all in his personal life for selling us and our children and their children,there should be a law that no party should be able to enact laws that go beyond there mandate,unless it can be proven to benefit all citizens,barring that all laws that go beyond a mandate should be brought to referendum,provincially or federally,now that would be democracy,not the crap their doing nowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com