Wednesday, June 02, 2010

RailGate GroundHog Day....More Delays.

AllTheLegalWrangling
ThatFitsVille

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Update @ 12:15pm: Stop the Presses!!!!....Mark Hume of the Globe is reporting an actual detail....".
....The case...{snip}... has been set over while some legal issues are worked out by defense counsel..."...Interesting that, no?.....But why not bannable?....Oh, and in a rare example of openness, the Globe comment thread is actually open on this one.....

Update @ 12:00noon:
Real Reporter (ie. actually in courtroom real) report from Robin Mathews summarized at bottom of post....
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Seriously.

And, of course, no details are forthcoming because of the continued "no jury = no reporting" edict from the bench*.

Keith Fraser of the Province was first outta the gate today.


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*Although we're pretty sure Robin Mathews will give us his 'impressions' without reporting on the specifics over at Mary's.
Well, Robin has weighed in....Apparently the 'real' reporters didn't have to.....Report to the court, I mean, to find out that there was no session this morning even though it had been previously posted as being a go....Why?....Well, it would appear that they have a top-secret ' in' downtown......Allegedly.



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25 comments:

Ian said...

First time I was able so I ambled down there this morning. Nothing. No hearings whatsoever that I could find.

scout vagabond said...

GAWD!!!!! this is one of the most dragged out things i've ever seen....mind you, look what it took to finally get some sort of 'something' on the airbus scandal. io guess wait we will. harumph!

RossK said...

You got bamboozled too Ian?

Robin Mathews has a full report on this over at Mary's (and he also explains how the not-so-real 'accredited' reporters didn't even have to show-up to file their stories)...Pathetic.

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RossK said...

Scout!!!

Great to hear from you.

Difference between this and the Mulroney/Schreiber thing is that there is actual documentation of the passing of the bags of cash.

(see my previous posts from last weekend for examples)

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Anonymous said...

If you were to go to the Adult supreme court completed list and search for 23299 maybe there is a hint as to the legal wrangling?

http://www.ag.gov.bc.ca/courts/court-lists/criminal/lists/Vancouver_Law_Courts-Completed_Supreme_Court_List.pdf


GAB

Anonymous said...

Pages 10 11 12

But these are from Completed cases dated May 31.... Monday

Next appearance is June 3, 2010.

Do you mean that Thursday appointment in Vancouver will be off again?

So let's call it Monday for the next day of tribulations, eh.

RossK said...

Thanks GAB--

I see the dates now, as mentioned by Anon-Above, but I don't see any specifics like I do with so many of the other cases....

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cfvua said...

Comments closed now Ross. Too legally dangerous to hear what people have to say. what will it take for a story with as many legs as this thing to get the appropriate attention. Why the cover-up?? Is Campbell viewed to be that far above reproach by the so-called media watchdogs??

G West said...

Ah yes, so I see:
Editor's Note: We have closed comments on this story for legal reasons. We appreciate your understanding.

What understanding?

The suggestion that there are any valid legal reasons for having closed comments is absurd. May I call BS on 'that' statement?

RossK said...

Thanks cfvua and GWest for the Update.

I notice, too, that the interns at The Tyee closed the only RailGate comment thread prematurely just as the head-boy was being challenged to present something of actual substance rather than mockery-laced ad hominems.

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G West said...

Actually, not that I disagree with your observation about the boy, I seem to recall a conversation with Geoff D'Auria some time ago about the somewhat arbitrary schedule for closing down Hook stories to comments.

At the time he suggested that the hook is meant to only be in the water (in a manner of speaking) for 24 hours. He then acknowledged that isn't the case a lot of the time - for reasons he attributed to staffing problems.

I haven't actually checked to confirm how long that story was open. I merely relate the information and suggest perhaps they have a few more 'new' interns on the job these days.

Not to say that whoever is pulling the levers and pushing the buttons there couldn't do a much better job of dealing with what seem to be perennial problems with a 'boy'.

BTW, if you have a moment, take a look at our old friend zalm's contributions to the comments thread on Tieleman's HST Hits and Misses story.

Well worth the time and effort.

Cheers Ross

G West said...

Just checked the time stamp on that Hook story - the last posted comment was 4 hours ago...it's now 7:45pm.

Since the thing is registered as having gone up at, as I recall, 4:42pm yesterday it's possible that they did shut it after 24 hours in keeping with their stated policy.

Or not!

RossK said...

Fair enough GW - thanks.

I'm off to read the zalm!

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Anonymous said...

My hunch, the plan is to delay the trial until the current sitting of the BC assembly is adjourned tomorrow, so that Campbell would have enough time to work out a deal with defense lawyers.

RossK said...

Anon-Above....

Oh boy.

Hadn't thought of that.

One thing is certain, my PAB-Bot visits were off the charts today.

Ledge-lackeys?.....Not so much.

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North Van's Grumps said...

Campbell work out a deal with the defense lawyers..... don't think so. We've all heard what the possible long range game plan is for the Defendants, if they WIN.

Hang him high, and dry for making the three defendants scape goats for the BC Liberals.

Any deal that is to be made is between the SP and Defendants; GMC is a side issue who will be facing his own SP.

The Sponsorship Scandal was the downfall of the Federal Liberals. BC Rail ... along with the HST and ReCall, will be the BC Liberals.

RossK said...

You going to court tomorrow NVG?

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North Van's Grumps said...

I flipped a coin last night, take Wednesday off or Thursday.... damn.

RossK said...

NVG--

Aaaarrrrgghh!

Glad I decided to wait in the hope of seeing heavier hitters squirm.

But now I'm not so sure we'll ever get a chance to see that.

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Anonymous said...

There are those with their heads in the sand that say Campbell is good enough to go national. Could it be that the fed Libs want him and are also 'helping' to keep him safe and warm?

I know that for us that know him to be the lying scum that he is find this laughable but have heard this nonsense spewed forth occasionally.


islandcynic

RossK said...

ic--

Don't even think you have to go that far....Why?....Well, I imagine that there are many, many folks amongst the FedLibs that don't want to see this thing go anywhere regardless, given that it really does have the potential to be brand-destroying for ALL concerned.

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Anonymous said...

"He was subject to two days of cross examination before legal matters unrelated to his testimony forced a series of delays." Mark Hume on "He" (Martyn Brown) - June 3 2010

"Series" defined similar things placed in order or happening one after another; "they were investigating a series of bank robberies (or in our particular case Train robberies)"

Martyn Brown is one in a "series" of Crown witnesses, funny that, these delays have only managed to crop up now.

RossK said...

Anon--

You've just gotta wonder if anyone from the Defense team has talked to anybody from the other side during the 'series' of delays about what the 'series' of questions to later prosecution witnesses might involve.

Especially witnesses like the ones named Judith Reid and Gary Collins, for example.


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North Van's Grumps said...

My wife said with this thing about the publication ban when the jury isn't present, is dangerous information just waiting for one person who is privy to the information.... eg. the press and eg. public gallery visitors... PAB too...to blow the whole trial out the door.

Every "delay" that comes up under the watch of Madame Justice MacKenzie is another day we come closer to having this trial thrown right out the window.

What then? A Trial by Judge, which is exactly not what the Defendants want, nor the Defense Lawyers.


The Supreme Court of Canada said of someone: "....who chooses to exercise his or her freedom of expression on matters of public interest whether by blogging, tweeting, standing on a street corner and shouting the “news” at passing pedestrians or publishing in a national newspaper. To throw a constitutional immunity around the interactions of such a heterogeneous and ill-defined group of writers and speakers and whichever “sources” they deem worthy of a promise of confidentiality and on whatever terms they may choose to offer it (or, as here, choose to amend it with the benefit of hindsight) would blow a giant hole in law enforcement and other constitutionally recognized values such as privacy."

Line 40 http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/2010/2010scc16/2010scc16.html R. v. National Post, 2010 SCC 16 (CanLII)

THE ANSWER OF COURSE IS: Madame Justice Mackenzie should have cleared the public gallery... including the MSM when she sent the Jury home so that she and her fellow lawyers can discuss, in privacy, that which is delaying this long overdue TRIAL.

RossK said...

NVG--

Your wife is a shrewd observer, indeed.

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